Thursday, February 18, 2010

Numbers of What?

What comes to your mind when I tell you that I am reading through the Biblical book entitled Numbers? Do you think of the Old Testament (it’s the fourth book)? Did you know that it was written by Moses? You may tell me that the book opens with a census or a numbering of the Israelites at Mount Sinai.

You may then tell me that you don’t see any application for your life by reading about several clans of disgruntled Israelites as they wander through the desert with a complaining and rebellious spirit. But I promise you, there is beauty in the tapestry of every word of Scripture. With time and effort, you can see magnificence in these pages. In fact, the book of Numbers offers significant lessons with direct application for us today.

In brief, Numbers relates the story of Israel’s rebellion and God’s perfect judgment. You may know the saga: the Israelites have been freed from bondage and are now headed for the Promised Land. Yet, according to Numbers, these people who had direct contact with the living God, rebel against Him: they grumble about everything from the food God provided to the leadership of Moses. In fact, they fail to keep covenant with God and, as a result, end up wandering the Sinai desert for 40 years.

Read this carefully: an eleven day journey turned into a 40-year saga of wilderness wanderings. Thus, due to their rebellion, God punished that generation severely. With the exception of Caleb and Joshua, not one of that generation entered the Promised Land.

Here’s the gist of the story: when put to the test, Israel’s faith failed.

Don’t let this story be yours!

Numbers is a tragic reminder and a warning to future generations—God will be honored by his people or they will not live to see the Promised Land. And the Promised Land for Christians today is nothing less than heaven itself.

As you read through Numbers this month, examine your own life: are you living in rebellion against God and wandering through desert territory?

Know that in Christ God has liberated you from bondage. You don’t have to waste your life in the wilderness—move on and learn to live with our Most Holy God. A God who loves you—loves you so much he died for you.

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”—Ephesians 2:8–10


Anonymous said...

Love to all in CHRIST,

~Ms. Ann~ Onymous that is...

Don said...

Ms. Ann Onymous,

Briefly looked at your site and was wondering how do I find the Onymous Family Helpers?

Blessings in Christ

Anonymous said...

Ok. Very Cool, Don. Please send me your e-mail address @ my e-mail addie: and I'll be more than happy to send you an invitation to join. Please be open to sharing ideas and creative solutions to help Boris. I need all the help I can get! Believe me! Thank you. *sincere smile*
In caring, CHRISTian cooperation and negotiation,

~Ms. Ann Onymous~ ---->
P.S. - John Cleve & I have the Hankster on speed dial! Bless JESUS!

Anonymous said...

Above all else, guard your heart, for it is the wellspring of life.
-Proverbs 4:23 NIV

*throws colorful confetti up in honor of JESUS' resurrection [dunamis] power*

Love & holy heartpats for all,

~Ms. Ann~

Boris said...

Hank can you explain this: In Numbers 31:1-20 we read how the Midianites were completely wiped out. Even women and children except for the young virgins which the Israelite men, under the command from God through Moses kept for purposes of raping. The Bible makes it clear this was total genocide. Yet just a generation or two after the death of Joshua we read in Judges 6:5 how the Midianites were so many they were like locusts on the land. And this time "...for seven years Yahweh handed them over to Midian;" How is it possible that an entire nation could be wiped out and occupied and then miraculously reincarnate themselves and reappear just a few decades later to oppress Israel? I mean the nation of Israel was supposedly around 2 million people or more by then.

Anyone else want to try to explain this problem in the text of the Bible? I mean how do you expect unbelievers to believe when there are all these obvious problems in the text of the Bible that prove it could not possibly be infallible? Let's start with this one and see how you do believers. Then we can discuss another 600 or so problems I've found in the text of the Bible that also prove it cannot be infallible.

Mr. Betún said...

Boris, you have the same problem as the Sadducees...

-Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God".
Matthew 22:29

Anonymous said...

Let your speech always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person.

Boris, please don't play fast & loose with semantics & wordplay. That kind of thing always comes back to bite you where it hurts the most...eventually. You know what I'm sayin', buddy?!

I'm with Hank in a certain regard. I know that I Know that I KNOW that the Holy Spirit lives in my heart as a result of Salvation. I'm more sure of this fact than knowing I have flesh on my bones. Hoorah for CRI! HOORAH for JESUS CHRIST, most especially!
Be at peace in the love eternal,

~Ms. Ann Onymous~

Boris said...

Mr. Beten,
It's you who has a problem. It's called cognitive dissonance. Look it up. I just presented a major flaw in your book of magic and fairies and you ignored it and attacked my character as if that could somehow make this irreconcilable problem go away. It's not going away and as you can clearly see this problem is enough to convince anyone who hasn't been frightened out of their mind by the threat of hell for not believing the Bible that there are flaws in the Bible. These flaws prove Christian claims about the Bible infallibility are absolutely false. The great thing about this is that there is not a thing you can do about it. By the way, Jesus Christ never existed.

96toLife said...

Hank says, "God will be honored by his people or they will not live to see the Promised Land. And the Promised Land for Christians today is nothing less than heaven itself." This sounds very close to saying that Christians can lose their salvation. I don't believe Hank means it this way unless he has changed positions, but this needs explaining. Christians cannot lose their salvation.

Anonymous said...

Beware of all the pablum for the masses being distributed in "religious" circles! Please read the book "The Myth of Eternal Security" by Dan Corner. The fact is that there is no such thing as "cheap grace" in the context of the entire Holy BIBLE. Don't take my word for it. Find out for yourself! PLEASE!

As an aside, let me ask you a few things...

How come most people treat the interwebz like a middle-school bathroom wall and say things they never would with face-to-face interacting in person? Why do they completely lose all respect for anybody who may read their posts?

The BIBLE is not a book relevant only to thee era in which it was authored. Please look into the book "The Believer's Conditional Security" by Dan Corner.
I can't say I believe everything Mr. Corner stands for. I just think he raises some fascinating questions. Don't you?

I'm an adamant adherent to academic freedom. We are to hate the world's system not the world's people from a scriptural vantage point. Correct? I am very intimately conversant with scriptures by the grace of GOD. Hence, I must point out that there is one priority here:
[Take care of your OWN family
and mind your own business.]

Point Proven.

Now having said all of that...I implore you to let the truth sink in like an arrow through the proverbial heart! It's inconceivable to want to choose to walk away from GOD for even a split-second, in time or eternity, once you have truly experienced HIS love. The LORD's brilliance consumes you as you grow ever closer and closer to HIM!

The so-called 'THREE STOOGES' philosophy that is so prevalent among people of the secular ilk is simply BOGUS! They believe in the 'slip-n-slide'/slip slidin' away approach to obedience to the Creator! Yes, to the CREATOR no less! Can you believe it? Ugh!
Will GOD keep "picking you up out of the water" when you sin and "fall overboard" on life's boat daily? No! It's preposterous!

Let me offer you a word-picture. When King Hank goes on his cruise in May, do you think he will be "falling all over himself" on deck? No! Sanctification is VERY powerful and fully complete in the might & closure of the Holy Spirit. Don't take the Messiah for granted & test HIS patience with never-ending sin patterns in your personal life! The reality of 'backsliding' is that when a person 'slips & slides' in a sin cycle or pattern (addiction) then they actually fall OVERBOARD with each sin as opposed to on board the ship or boat of his or her life. Beware! GOD is not a codependent or enabling GOD! The notion that we Saints 'fall on board but not overboard' in sin cycles is misguided. Pray it through for yourself. Your spouse wouldn't put up with you continually 'cheating' on them so why would GOD? Divorce the evil! Thanks for letting me share>>>
In faithful love for Kingdom Glory,

~Ms. Ann Onymous~

96toLife said...

With all do respect, I am not interested in what some author says, I am only interested in what the scriptures say. Eternal Security is only a myth to those who don't know the Gospel and need salvation to be conditional in order to control the behavior of those in their flock. Conditional Security is a false gospel of fear designed to keep people focused on their behavior and never resting and trusting in their God.

The ones who don't believe in eternal security are the ones promoting "cheap grace" as they don't believe what Jesus did for them was enough. Therefore, they must invent traditions, sacrifices and doctrines designed to keep themselves forgiven. And all they are doing is insulting the Spirit of grace (Hebrews 10:29) by performing sacrifices no longer accepted or required by God (Hebrews 10:17-18). It is a life of works which prevents the individual from ever knowing God or experiencing His love.

"And this is the testimony: God HAS GIVEN US eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He who has the Son HAS LIFE; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that YOU MAY KNOW that you have eternal life." 1 John 5:11-13

Anonymous said...

I respect your viewpoint, 96toLife, I just feel like we are miscommunicating with each other. I don't know if I agree with your P.O.V. because I'm not sure I fully understand it. I'm sorry if I didn't know how to explain my perspective to you so that you could really "get" what I was trying to relate. I'll pray more on this. Thank you for being here anyway. I appreciate your posts.
GOD Bless You!
Sincerely in CHRIST,

~Ms. Ann Onymous~

Anonymous said...

Boris, Jesus was a real historical figure. Do some research and look him up. There are records of his existence in varying degrees of historical text, there are archeological sites, actual figures that saw and spoke with him. Also are you going to deny The Dead Sea Scrolls are not real as well? All of these things can be traced to the real man who walked this earth. Get your mind moving and open it up man. This is as bad as saying we never went to the moon. Also Boris, your issue is you read only what you want to read. Read the whole chapters, cross-reference passages, go back and forth. The bible if harmonious. Things will not make sense if you cherry pick small parts of a passage. You have to understand the context.

BTW: All of these men where believers.

Famous Christians in Science, Technology and Exploration
Christohper Columbus
Samuel Morse -morse code dude
Isaac Newton - inventor, scientist
Wright Brothers

* Arthur Eddington, an important mathematical cosmologist, was a Quaker.
* Georges Lemaître, a Roman Catholic priest, proposed the Big Bang theory.
* Henry F. "Fritz" Schaefer is one of the foremost theoretical chemists of our day.
* William Phillips was co-recipient of the . 1997 Nobel Prize in Physics
* Francis Collins (also here) is the director of the U.S. Human Genome Project.
* Rustum Roy, one of the world's foremost materials scientists, holds three chairs

* Nicolaus Copernicus: 1473-1543 Polish Astronomer
Developed the heliocentric theory of the solar system.
* Galileo Galilei: 1564-1642 Italian Physicist
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
* Johannes Kepler: 1571-1630 German Astronomer
The 3 laws of planetary motion. Advanced Copernicus' heliocentric theory.
"Since we astronomers are priests of the highest God in regard to the book of nature, it befits us to be thoughtful, not of the glory of our minds, but rather, above all else, of the glory of God."
* Blaise Pascal: 1623-1662 French Mathemetician
"There is a God-shaped vacuum in the heart of every man which cannot be filled by any created thing, but only by God, the Creator, made known through Jesus Christ." (Pensees)?
* But by Jesus Christ and in Jesus Christ, we prove God and teach doctrine and morals. Jesus Christ, then, is the true God of men."
* Newton Isaac: 1642-1727 (born Dec 25) English Mathemetician
Laws of gravitation and motion, developed calculus. Major contributions to optics, physics, math and astronomy.
The solar system itself could not have been produced by blind chance or fortuitous causes but only by a cause "very well skilled in mechanics and geometry."
* Michael Faraday: 1791-1869 English Chemist
Discovered Benzene, electromagnetic induction, lines of force, relationship between polarized light and magnetic fields. Strong believer in the literal interpretation of Scripture. Deacon and elder in his church.
"Since peace is alone in the gift of God; and since it is He who gives it, why should we be afraid? His unspeakable gift in His beloved Son is the ground of no doubtful hope."
* Lord Kelvin: 1824-1907 (William Thomson) British Physicist
First and second laws of thermodynamics. Absolute temp scale. Trans-Atlantic cable.
"I believe that the more thoroughly science is studied, the further does it take us from anything comparable to atheism."

Anonymous said...

But without faith it is impossible to please HIM, for he who comes to GOD must believe that HE is, and that HE is a rewarder of those who diligently seek HIM.
Hebrews 11:6

And herein lies the my humble opinion. Read carefully the following:

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
James 2:26

James is not trying to suggest that we are saved by working our way to heaven. This would be a total reversal of the entire gospel message. We are saved by faith in JESUS CHRIST alone. TRUTHISM: Faith alone in CHRIST alone by grace alone. However, genuine faith will always produce works. We are not saved by works but FOR works. In other words, if someone has real CHRISTian faith, there will always be evidence of that in his life. If a CHRISTian says that he has faith, but you never see any evidence of fruit in his life, then you have a right to question the validity of his faith. Does that individual have a Real faith or just a "said" faith. At the cross of Calvary, JESUS fulfilled both perfect mercy and perfect justice. According to scripture, obedience is better than sacrifice. Hope this helps in clarifying some things.

I believe that King Hank saying "GOD will be honored by HIS people or they will not live to see the Promised Land. And the Promised Land for CHRISTians today is nothing less than Heaven itself" is quite accurate a statement, BIBLICALLY. Be a Blessing!
Love in CHRIST,

~Ms. Ann Onymous~

Anonymous said...

For Boris.

Anonymous said...

To: 96toLife~

We are to avoid a crass system of dead-works (performance) religiosity. The civil and ceremonial laws of the Old Testament were fulfilled in JESUS' work on the Cross. I trust that you agree. No one wants to put up with procrastination by Leaders in the 'Body of CHRIST' for very long. The limbo state is unfair and it directly impacts everyone!

Let the eternal ages roll!>>>
But the path of the righteous is like the light of dawn, that shines brighter and brighter until the full day.
-Proverbs 4:18 NASB

Boris said...

Your smoke and mirrors isn't working at all. If Jesus was a historical figure what historian who lived during Jesus' lifetime mentioned him? If there are records of his existence what do they say? Name the historical figures who spoke to Jesus and reported this. What archaeological sites support your claims? Where's the empty tomb for example? Claiming these things exist without being able to give any evidence that they do is lying plain and simple. Let's see you prove your claims right here right now. DO IT, or what you said is all lies. You can't support your outrageous lies and you KNOW it. How do you live with yourself liar?

The list of scientists you posted also proves what a liar you really are. Bible believers persecuted and lied about EVERY ONE of those scientists and their findings and you KNOW it. Claiming Copernicus and Galileo were literal Bible believers is just a lie. You creationist scumbags try to blur the distinction between people who believe in God but don't take the Bible literally like these scientists you listed and people who deny science and take the Bible literally like yourselves. Bible believers denied the findings of all these scientists so once again your list of scientists is dishonest. You make me sick with all your lies.

96toLife said...

Anonymous, I am only responding to you challenging my belief in eternal security. To do so by directing me to the website of someone who disagrees with eternal security is not a good defense. It is really not a debatable issue if one understands the Gospel. Otherwise, all that happens is throwing scripture back and forth at each other and going down rabbit trails.

For example, the website you directed to claims to have the "acid question" to ask anyone who believes in eternal security. That question being if David lost his salvation after his great sin? The whole premise of the question is off base. David never had the Holy Spirit indwelling him. Thus, he was never born again. He couldn't have been because Jesus had not come yet.

Besides God called David a man after His own heart long before David committed murder and adultery. Because his faith was credited to him as righteousness not his deeds. This is something that even James didn't fully understand. It is why he and Paul disagreed. Our sins don't separate us from God because of the death of Christ. The life of God that has been restored to us will never leave because there is no sin God is holding against us. Some may call that a license to sin, I call it the freedom to serve others in love. I am free to approach God to find mercy in my time of need.

Thanks for the dialogue...

Anonymous said...

Not a problem, 96toLife, you are a pleasure to dialogue with. I mean that sincerely. Go with GOD, Brother.
In genuine agape' love through JESUS CHRIST always,

~Ms. Ann Onymous~

Boris said...

What a waste of humanity. You two people have not one shred of evidence for your beliefs that people can actually live after they die. Your arguments are as stupid and pointless as any arguments ever had on this planet. Why don't you discuss how man angels can fit on the head of a pin. After all that is the most important theological discussion there ever was. Theologians argued over that for centuries and still do. Hahahahahahaha. You people are SO STUPID!

Anonymous said... more thing if I may...
Dear 96-to-Life:

Re: "a license to sin"~~~

Please don't violate your conscience. Live in behavorial unison, oneness, and integration. With all due honor, please annihilate the "schizophrenic" CHRISTian life...for example; some individuals have BIBLE study on Thursday nights and then turn around and party with "friends" & booze it up on Fridays or Saturdays. What gives? Talk about double messages and double standards! I thought our Sanctification was SEALED for the Day of Redemption!! This is worthy of intense investigation from a "Body of CHRIST" vantage point. Please explain. There is a Sense of Urgency, time-wise! Thank you kindly.
In respect for Kingdom values,
with tons of heavenly love...

~Ms. Ann Onymous~

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr. Research Chemist:

One Last Warning: End your demeaning and belittling talk! Your sour attitude only showcases your misogyny and extreme masochism. You are full of hate on a criminal level. Your DAY of RECKONING is on the horizon, buddy! Justice is inevitable! You must consider yourself properly forewarned now!

(Macro) evolution was a fable and conspiracy theory that damaged and abused *precious* unsuspecting children the worst! Heinous!

Your ridiculous claims have only proved to solidify my ever-growing faith and catapult me into the arms of our Amazing Savior even more so! Thanks for the "iron-sharpens-iron" match! Very Cool, Man! VERY COOL!

Give up your 'lust vice' for Lent! Lust Kills! And it breaks GOD's Heart as well! WAKE UP ALERT!!!

Sorry to have to disappoint you, if you have believed that 'false idiom' of macro-evolution all of your life. That is sad, indeed!

::shocking the sensibilities of what we like to call THE BRAIN::

Please put in place a boundary of common sense and reasonableness! Why are you not a true free-thinker?

You think you are a hard-core debater? You're going to bite me? It won't hurt! You don't have any teeth! What?!?? Are you going to gum me to death?! *hahahahahahaha!*

Gen. 1:1~
"In the beginning, GOD..."
THEE most scientific words ever stated! Ha!

I hope OUTRAGEOUS grace falls around you like warm rain!

Don't take this in a negative way. However, you are acting verbose, bombastic, and devoured by your own character defects! Your visage is melting into a befuddled glaze!

*fawns all over you like you're a visiting diplomat*
[Because don't all visiting diplomats stop at King Hank's blog for a flippin' discussion on supernatural vs. natural paradigms while visiting the internet?] *smile of brightness*

Why do you keep 'ducking & dodging' my questions re: your vendetta against King Hank? Afterall, that's what all of THIS is about anyway!

We live in the Justice Dispensation. GOD sees through all your posturing and spinning of who you are and what you do. HE sees through all the exterior things to your very heart.

Hello, Fred, I'm not dead! You seem like you're 2 fries short of a Happy Meal! Sorry about your plight! :-)

From: 'No title needed!' Greatness already understood! *Snap* OH! > Prov. 26:7

Boris said...

I'll say it again: Bible believers have fought against EVERY scientific discovery and theory ever made including those made by other Christians ever since the Bible was voted to be the Bible by gay men wearing dresses. Why should I believe the anti-scientific claims of people who have NEVER EVER been on the right side of science? How are your claims about macro-evolution supposed to be believed in the light of the fact that you people have never been right about science before? When have scientists ever had to revise one of their theories in the face of the never ending, centuries long complaints from Bible believers?

Every time you speak about macro-evolution you are lying. Plus you don't know what you are talking about because you aren't qualified - you aren't a scientist. In fact you don't know the first thing about science. You can't even define thermodynamics with a dictionary right in front of you. You are as stupid and ignorant of science as anyone on this planet. All Bible believers are and they always have been. You people are the lowest most dishonest scum on the planet. With our knowledge of macro-evolution scientists have doubled the human life-span in the last 120 years. They have been able to test vaccines and other drugs on animals because they realized which animals we humans are most closely related to.

Here's what is so outrageous about your claims. I Emailed you proof of macro-evolution - nylon eating bacteria which is a new species that has evolved since 1935 and could not have existed before then since nylon didn't. Cognitive dissonance is what makes it possible to dismiss positive proofs that your beliefs are false. In other words you are mentally disturbed. Your claims that I make your faith stronger are lies. Your faith is obviously crumbling like a cookie because your posts and Emails are becoming increasingly and alarmingly insane. Your fear of hell has overwhelmed you. I could push you off the edge now any time I want.

Anonymous said...

Enough is Enough!

Fred, stop e-mailing me and addressing me here in King Hank's blog! Your insults are a [test-proof] sign of the clear evidence presented in regards to your mental illness. I have tried to help you in your time of hardship with, however, all you did was repel and reject our 'Onymous Family Helpers' group. That is YOUR loss as well! I have a Heart of Gold by the grace of GOD! It seems you are jealous of that fact and envious of my superior intellectual prowess. That is unfortunate, indeed.

From now on, there will be consequences to your verbal abuse and criminal-level sexism/misogyny. I will not respond to your e-mails. As a matter of fact, the 'delete' key is my friend. I won't even be reading your blog posts or any e-mails EVER again! Make book on it! You can take that to the bank, "King" Fred.

Now stew and reel in your control issues coming back to haunt you in the most uncomfortable places!


GOD's Speed to you all! I will hereafter address ONLY King Hank since this is his blog. Is he intimidated by Fred? I doubt it. Will King Hank help protect Commentators on this blog? I hope so. We shall see... Life will go on! JESUS will prevail through CHRISTian (Holy Spirit-led) outreach!
In service to our loving Maker,

~Ms. Ann Onymous~

Boris said...

Just so everyone knows, Anonymous has been Emailing me 6 times a day and I have only responded to some of them using the reply button. Not once have I initiated a conversation with this nut case. Her Emails include all sorts of veiled and outright threats and demands that I join her group of willfully ignorant morons. This woman is as desperate and demented as they come, not to mention horribly uneducated and badly misinformed. This post isn't addressed to her but let's see how long she can keep her promise to stop threatening and harassing me and reading my posts. I say she can't. Because I just pushed her right of the edge. The proof is right in hr angry demented posts. I really love destroying stupid people. Victory once again, is MINE!

Anonymous said...

Dearest Rev. Dr. King Hank:

May the good LORD bless you richly into eternity! This individual, Fred, is suffering from extreme mental illness as a result of a non-traditional, sexual orientation challenge. Do you have any comments for a Media Release? All that Fred has said about me is really true about him alone. You see...he suffers from what is commonly known in (psychological) Professionals' circles as "projection" which is being manifested in the form of him displacing his issues onto me in a phony and ineffective manner. I assure you that my smarts and education are above average and anointed of GOD. Please take the time and energy to respond. We all appreciate you and value your profound insights, scripturally-speaking! Thank you in advance for your kindest consideration.
Respectfully yours in CHRISTian solidarity forevermore...

~Ms. Ann Onymous~

Anonymous said...

Dearest *AWESOME* King Hank:

I am my beloved's,
And my beloved is mine.
He feeds his flock among the lilies.

May the LORD bless you and keep you; may the LORD lift up HIS countenance upon you and Grant you Peace!
In ageless existence for the Glory of Kingdoms' Victorious Grandeur,
::majestic xoxo in holiness:: Love, Luv, LOVE!>>>

~Ms. Ann Onymous~

Anonymous said...

"Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men."

Prayers, Blessings, Well-Wishes, and Best Regards to all,

~Ms. Ann Onymous~

Anonymous said...

Dear Hecklers:

What? Don't you have anything better to do???

John said...

I think everyone on here is crazy! What is going on? People arguing back and forth. Get a room! (...and not this (chat) room)

Anonymous said...


2 chimpanzees did NOT ride in on sasquatches to pay homage to Darwin every Sunday morning for "Garden of Paradise" Radio Broadcast Hour! [LOL]
Please don't believe everything you hear! All that "glitters" is not gold! *laughter fest.*

Anonymous said...

There's More, peeps... in the book of the not the Rock Band that Phil Collins played in. Your public school "teachers" lied to you once again. Extremely sad and oh so pathetic!

Best Wishes anyway. For Realzies!

John said...

Anonymous said...
With all due honor, respect, and dignity...look who is talking.

Who is Crazy? Maybe YOU are crazy. Take a good long look in the mirror, friend. As JESUS stated...get the plank out of your own eye before trying to remove the speck from my eye and others' eyes too. Comprende'?! Get a room with your WIFE! Ha! Apparently, you are arguing with yourself alone. You and you alone!


I say...
Why in the world did you jump on me for stating that it's crazy to listen to "Ann" and "Boris" go back and forth? It is crazy...they should continue this somewhere else. I mean, have you read what they are writing? And the "get a room" is refering to a different "forum" to communicate. People now use that term when talking about chat rooms, etc.
And...when you are being rude, own it! Don't say things like "With all due honor, respect, and dignity" because your further comments had none of those characteristics.
Also, I'm not arguing with anyone...I'm stating that the people arguing back and forth should go elsewhere. I don't think your "plank" reference applies in this situation, but I'm sure you disagree since you jumped all over what I said. I can't understand how it personally offened you. I did take a long look in the mirror and I saw a person who posted a comment stating that those people arguing back and forth were being crazy and should move on. I don't see anything wrong with that simple statement.
And...I'm not going to use God and his word by now choosing to throw out scripture to prove my point...I don' think this trivial conversation is what God wants to focus on.
Still clueless to how a very simple statement, bothered you so much that you would attack. Odd...

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry if you thought I was attacking, John. You clearly misunderstood. Please take my whole message in its' full context and entirety. Boris and Ann have their own friendship to deal with. I'm sure they will do so over time. God bless them on their way! Also, when I typed the words with all due honor, respect, and dignity; I meant it. It perfectly dovetailed with the characteristics of the rest of the message. Confronting in godly love. Please don't judge my motives and intentions. I mean no harm. Please don't be offended. I don't believe in the "license to sin" philosophy. If you say you are 'sorry' then it should mean it won't ever happen again. Above all people, we professing Christians need to be people of our word. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Period.

John said...


Anonymous said...

Same to you, John. By the way, in my humble opinion...GOD does not think the details of our personal lives are trivial. HE loves us all and answers our prayers no matter how big or small they are. You know? My message was not fragmented in any way. Aren't all scriptures a segment of a larger totality? Okeedokee! Have a great day! :-)
Peace and blessings to all!

John said...

Yes, well, I knew you would say that...about nothing is too trivial for God. I know that, but I guess the point was missed.

And since you want to continue the conversation...look back at what you wrote before you just brush it off with "you clearly misunderstood".
You wrote, "Please take my whole message in its' full context and entirety." I read it again...and it can't be interpreted any other way. You said "Also, when I typed the words with all due honor, respect, and dignity; I meant it. It perfectly dovetailed with the characteristics of the rest of the message. Confronting in godly love." Really...this is Godly love "Comprende'?! Get a room with your WIFE! Ha! "
This must be "Ann". You clearly like to always be right and argue. You got quite defensivewith your response. But, you follow it up with "Godly Love", "peace" and "Okeedokee", so I guess that makes it ok.
Whatever...I'm done. If you respond, which I'm sure you will, I can already pretty much guess what you are going to say...

Boris said...

In regards to your ridiculous lie about public school teachers lying about science, you conveniently ignore the fact that every CHRISTIAN college and university with a science department teaches evolution, common descent, Big Bang cosmology and all the rest of the science you creationists deny. I told you several times that I learned what I know about evolutionary theory from Christian professors at a private Christian college. That fact is so humiliating for you personally and so devastating for the creationist cause that you can;t even acknowledge it. Do you know how stupid and dishonest you look trying to force your religious lies into public school science classes when your own CHRISTIAN academic community not only rejects them but continues to distance themselves from creationists and creationism? Obviously not.

Anonymous said...

Global Warming? My left foot.

Boris said...

Here is a positive proof of global warming: A new report, based on an analysis of infrared long-wave radiation data from two different space missions has proved the earth is getting warmer. "These unique satellite spectrometer data collected 27 years apart show for the first time that real spectral differences have been observed, and that they can be attributed to changes in greenhouse gases over a long time period," says John Harries, a professor at Imperial College in London and lead author of the study published in "Nature."

As the sun's radiation hits the earth's surface, it is re-emitted as infrared radiation. This radiation is then partly trapped by the so-called greenhouse gases: carbon dioxide, (CO2), methane, CH4) and chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) as well as water vapor. Satellites can measure changes in the earth's natural greenhouse effect and to deduce which greenhouse gases have changed.

The researchers lookedat the infrared spectrum of long-wave raditaion from a region over the pacific Ocean, as well as the entire globe. The data came from two different spacecraft the NASA's Nimbus 4 spacecraft. which surveyed the planet with an Infrared Interferometric Spectrometer (IRIS) between April 1970 and January 1971. and the Japanese ADEO satellite, which utilized the Interferometric Monitor of Greenhouse Gases (IMG) instrument, starting in 1996. To insure that the data were reliable and comparable, the team looked only at readings from the same three-month period of the year (April to June) and adjusted them to eliminate the effects of cloud cover. The findings indicated long-term changes in atmospheric CH4, CO2, ozone (O3) and CFC 11 and 12 concentrations and, consequently, a significant increase in the earth's greenhouse effect.

Now I posted this particular report because the anti-science lobby and the creationist science deniers on this blog have no way to refute these findings. All they can do is chant their religious dogma that God controls the weather, not man. No one should be fooled by the global warming deniers. They are ALL evangelical Christians who are trying to discredit modern science as all Bible believers have always done ever since the Bible has existed. They actually believe if they can just get the public to believe scientists don't know what they are talking about when it comes to the weather then they must be wrong about human origins, the origin of the universe and everything else as well. Global warming is a fact and Bible believers must distort and lie about facts because facts prove the Bible is a bunch of insane nonsense. So deny away liars. Global warming is a fact and your lies about it won't change that fact. It will kill your religion forever though. Bye bye members of the dead world religion once known as Christinsanity. ROFL!

Anonymous said...

ya global warming all right. Even though its been 30 DEGREES in FLORIDA for at least 7 out of the last 8 weeks. ROFL @ Fred (I like this name better)

Anonymous said...

And one last thing Fred, ORU does not teach evolution. Boda bing boda boom.

Anonymous said...

Fred, neither does Liberty....your comments are lies man. How can anyone trust what you say now?

Anonymous said...

Fred, Fred, Fred.....

P.s. It appears I am wrong about ORU so I retract that statement and humbly state that I am wrong. But check this out Freddy

Boris said...

Steven Colbert mocked the global warming deniers at Fox News the other night and it was hilarious. After he showed clips of Fox News correspondents explaining that the snowy weather on the east coast of the United States was refuting Al Gore's "hysterical" theories, Colbert chimed in with what he called "simple observational research: whatever just happened is the only thing that is happening." Using Fox News' own logic Colbert also pointed out that because it was nighttime, the city was covered in darkness. Then he said, "Based on this latest data, we can only assume that the sun has been destroyed."

These heavy snowfalls and colder temperatures in usually warm places are PRECISELY what climate scientists have been predicting and anticipating BECAUSE of global warming. These snowstorms and temperature swings are NOT evidence of lack of global warming, but evidence OF global warming. When a theory makes accurate predictions that proves its validity. The scientific consensus says global warming is a fact. The questions are how much of global warming is because of humans adding carbon to the atmosphere and how much of it is natural and then is there really anything we can do about it. Also there are people like me who wonder if global warming is really a bad thing.

I posted proof of global warming that resulted from satellite observation. You ignored this and went right on with your global warming denials as if no objections had ever been raised. I posted proof of macro-evolution, a new species, nylon eating bacteria. You ignored this also and went right on with your denials of macro-evolution, as usual as if no objections to your claims had been raised. This is a common tactic employed by creationists and I'm quite used to it. You simply ignore the proofs that your claims are false or outright lies and go right on repeating them as if they hadn't already been refuted. Of course in a real moderated debate you could not get away with that crap and you know it. You really should ask yourself why you can't refute anything I say and why it's so easy for me to debunk all of your claims and lies.

You're not going to find ANY Christian colleges or universities teaching science that don't teach evolution, common descent, Big Bang cosmology and all the rest of the science that creationists deny and fight against. Your list of Bible colleges is a joke and the fact that even most of them teach evolution means the joke is on you.

The reason these schools teach evolution is because there isn't anything else to teach. Evolutionary biologists are the people responsible for inventing new vaccines, medicines, food crops, poisons to protect those crops from insects and many other products that make the world a healthier, safer and more enjoyable place. Except for bugs and viruses. If creation "science" or Intelligent Design magic have any validity, where are all the new and better products coming from the promoters of these religious hoaxes? What are the creation "scientists" going to do? make a woman from a rib? ROFL! Not a big deal. Scientists, using embryonic stem cells, grew a new jaw for a man in his stomach and then attached to his face. Let's see your God do THAT! Your God can't even heal amputees. In 20 years we humans will be able to though. So take all your anti-science propaganda and stick it....

Anonymous said...


You clearly lack reading comprehension skills. That list boasts that MOST schools do not teach evolution. You rely on lies to try and persuade the others reading this that I am ignorant.

You provide absolutely no proof with your reporting on a satellite discovery that I am sure you have no understanding of. Heres the beef Fred. Temperatures have been cooling around the WORLD for some time now. Dont limit it to the east coast or this year in general. As of today The stamford office of the law firm I am a pasrt of is closing due to a SNOW storm. Ya it may be getting cold in warm places, but it is also cold in COLD places. Take Minnesota for example.

Your a google man Fred. YOu spout off whatever you can and do not concern your self with knowing what your actually posting. Sad sad sad. COntnue to come on this blog Fred, continue posting your garbage. You are not changing anybody and you never have. You never will. YOur a sad case and your views are in the extreme minority of the world. (which i am sure is completely news to you)

Have fun with yourself fred

Boris said...

My views are an extreme minority? ROFL! Do you know how many literal Bible believers there are in the world right now? Only 8 percent of Protestant Christians in the United States believe in a literal garden of Eden the way you do. How many people outside of the United States disbelieve the Theory of Evolution the way you do? Evolution is taught in every public school system in the world and every CHRISTIAN college that teaches science.

The world is NOT getting colder. You get all your information about science from religious propagandists, people with a clear agenda and people who have been thoroughly discredited time and time again. Yet you trust them because like you they hate and fear science because science has proved their book of magic and fairies isn't what they claim it is. Glacier National Park in Montana, a cold place, had 150 glaciers in it 100 years ago. Now there are 28 and they are all melting, getting smaller every year. So is the North Pole. The proof of global warming is right in front of you. You'll ignore it, deny it, tell lies about it the way you do ALL science. It's what Bible believers have always done and as long as they exist for the next decade or so, they always will. It's ironic how many lies people who claim to have the truth will tell in their vain attempt to save their dying religion.

Anonymous said...


Leslie said...

Recently on one of your broadcasts, you agreed with a caller that people with schizophrenia could not be Christians.

Well, I was saved when I was nine years old. My dad contracted paranoid schizophrenia when he was 35 years old, and I, the same.

We attended church regularly as a family all my life. My dad passed away in 1999.

I don't know how you can make such a sweeping statement when things like this are on an individual basis.

Anonymous said...

Eternity! :-)

Boris said...

The Bible says that handicapped people must not approach the altar - Leviticus 21:16-21. A bastard can't attend church even until his tenth generation Deuteronomy 23:2. Hank doesn't know anything about science including the science of the mind. He bases everything he says on the Bible which to him is the only source of knowledge. The Bible places restrictions on who can worship God and how they can worship God. Looks like you're s.o.l. buddy. These goofy restrictions in the Bible are pretty good evidence that the God of the Bible is an invention of sick and prejudiced minds don't you think? What kind of God makes rules like an uneducated bigot and behaves like a small spoiled child when people ignore him? Not any kind of real God, that's for sure. The search for God should never end with the Bible. Keep looking.

Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...

What???? I'm still proud to keep letting my ETERNITY-fan-flag fly! *friendly, warm smile*

Boris said...

You may be a big fan of eternity but it and the rest of the universe outside this earth is not a fan of you. You have only one life and it's a pity you've wasted it on a delusion put in your head by other people.

Anonymous said...

ETERNITY! I'm stating this just for myself here and now!